tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1588280325775325323.post3687162684074003230..comments2023-12-24T05:26:48.861-05:00Comments on The Pittsburgh Comet: REDISTRICTINGBram Reichbaumhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05620172942925293407noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1588280325775325323.post-48446208016089257532011-10-27T09:01:49.956-04:002011-10-27T09:01:49.956-04:00Just to be clear, I wasn't predicting the outc...Just to be clear, I wasn't predicting the outcome of the redistricting process--that's a political question. My "proposal" was just a think-piece, basically along the lines of "How could you get the districts back to their target number without doing too much to disrupt the current outlines of the districts?"BrianTHnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1588280325775325323.post-90053862623676376412011-10-26T15:06:00.132-04:002011-10-26T15:06:00.132-04:00Also many of us stood in solidarity with SEIU 32BJ...Also many of us stood in solidarity with SEIU 32BJ's assertive contract negotiations at a rally held by them on 6th and William Penn Place.Bram Reichbaumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05620172942925293407noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1588280325775325323.post-6534729547682306032011-10-26T15:03:28.713-04:002011-10-26T15:03:28.713-04:00TT: No weed. Drugs and alcohol are not permitted ...TT: No weed. Drugs and alcohol are not permitted because they endanger everything we're fighting for. However a couple of hookahs make an appearance, and the kids are into these "mocha cappuccino" and cherry flavored blends.<br /><br />We protested UPMC I hear the other day (and I missed it -- we <i>have</i> to go back eventually) and we were at the Highmark <i>building</i> protesting PNC's use of billions in TARP money to buy another bank and further consolidate the banking industry, while extorting $50 million from our broke city in the form of tax increment financing (TIFs).Bram Reichbaumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05620172942925293407noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1588280325775325323.post-35249835701141924112011-10-26T00:46:34.624-04:002011-10-26T00:46:34.624-04:00ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz. Boring. What are you doing down a...ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz. Boring. What are you doing down at occupypgh? Smoking weed and making excuses? You should be protesting UPMC and Highmark. Their behavior is unacceptable!TTnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1588280325775325323.post-31787574890822213942011-10-25T05:16:26.039-04:002011-10-25T05:16:26.039-04:00BrianTH/MH:
Most reapportionments are a jagged ba...BrianTH/MH:<br /><br />Most reapportionments are a jagged balance between "least harm" and "maximize political advantage."<br /><br />These things are baselined with an allowable deviation such that it is unlikely to have 9 districts each with identical population.<br /><br />Technology allows for reapportioners to get within 3% or less deviation from some number, in this case, 33,967, but you're going to see some deviation, especially where a small deviation allows for "least harm" or more aptly, "least change." <br /><br />District 1 has seen the least change of all districts over the past two reapportionments largely because of geography, but I agree that it will have to add some territory, unless a larger deviation is tolerable.<br /><br />If, on the other hand, "maximize political advantage" is the prevailing consideration, then sadly there are multitude of ways to achieve that especially if you appointed a mathematician and a lawyer to the panel. Gerrymandering, in the computer age no less than the paper age, require BOTH a mathematician to crunch the numbers and an attorney to provide legal cover.<br /><br />Oh wait, Shields appointed an attorney and Peduto appointed a mathematician.Redraw the Linesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1588280325775325323.post-61233268510774296302011-10-24T20:28:47.354-04:002011-10-24T20:28:47.354-04:00"The first thing you have to do is draw 2 dis..."The first thing you have to do is draw 2 districts that are majority-minority and then fill in the rest."<br /><br />So where does this gerrymander take us?<br />What are the demographic shifts in the minority communities like the hill look like 10 years out? I think there are only 2500 registered voters in the Hill for example...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1588280325775325323.post-90066029472093125872011-10-24T16:51:37.086-04:002011-10-24T16:51:37.086-04:00No comment! LolNo comment! LolRicky Moodynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1588280325775325323.post-3823714316461190272011-10-24T14:27:22.791-04:002011-10-24T14:27:22.791-04:00is there any breakdown of ward districts based on ...is there any breakdown of ward districts based on population/race?rich10ehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11815670014265733834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1588280325775325323.post-75144005860787297752011-10-24T13:52:13.621-04:002011-10-24T13:52:13.621-04:00Could you post the names of all 9 members? As far ...Could you post the names of all 9 members? As far as I can tell the PG has only reported a few.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1588280325775325323.post-29395062577608290792011-10-24T10:09:02.648-04:002011-10-24T10:09:02.648-04:00The first thing you have to do is draw 2 districts...The first thing you have to do is draw 2 districts that are majority-minority and then fill in the rest.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1588280325775325323.post-70645710523428577542011-10-24T10:01:42.180-04:002011-10-24T10:01:42.180-04:00you might want to consider not only population shi...<i>you might want to consider not only population shifts but glance over at shifts in Likely [springtime Democratic] Voters</i><br /><br />For example what would happen if you re-ran this year's primary except with 800 or more voters from District 8 now voting in District 9? It's a good bet we'd be pondering how Councilwoman Prater-Holliday will do on the job.MHnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1588280325775325323.post-39814255614821788652011-10-24T09:16:54.714-04:002011-10-24T09:16:54.714-04:00All nine of them have interests -- they wear them ...All nine of them have interests -- they wear them on their sleeves, and that's the beauty of it. BrianTH, now that you have some data, I'm sure some of the committee would appreciate a non-partisan proposal or two being put into circulation. Just to be fair and thorough, you might want to consider not only population shifts but glance over at shifts in Likely [springtime Democratic] Voters.Bram Reichbaumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05620172942925293407noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1588280325775325323.post-8633812551349090962011-10-24T09:00:33.616-04:002011-10-24T09:00:33.616-04:00Which "hacks" have a future political in...Which "hacks" have a future political interest in how the districts are drawn. May we start the speculation with Acklin?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1588280325775325323.post-32471548599464176552011-10-23T23:24:46.750-04:002011-10-23T23:24:46.750-04:00What do you get when you put a doctor, 2 lawyers, ...What do you get when you put a doctor, 2 lawyers, a grad student, 3 City employees, 1 state employee and the Councilwoman defeated by the current Mayor in the same room?<br /><br />9 hacks trying to redistrict the City. May God help Pittsburgh.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1588280325775325323.post-36377894266793346732011-10-23T22:11:22.749-04:002011-10-23T22:11:22.749-04:00Oops, had that wrong at the end--I think 8 & 9...Oops, had that wrong at the end--I think 8 & 9 (meaning 8) have to give something to 5 to make that all work. But the little bits here and there can obviously done in lots of waysBrianTHnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1588280325775325323.post-28549126236388880972011-10-23T21:56:17.646-04:002011-10-23T21:56:17.646-04:00Thanks, Chris!
So 33967 is what they should be (p...Thanks, Chris!<br /><br />So 33967 is what they should be (pop. divided by 9). Currently:<br /><br />1: 31492<br />2: 33099<br />3: 33270<br />4: 34249<br />5: 35418<br />6: 35837<br />7: 34385<br />8: 39259<br />9: 28695<br /><br />Only one I really missed was 4, so I feel good about my guesses.<br /><br />As for how the borders get drawn--lots of ways to do it, of course, but 1 and 6 can swap some North Side turf and get close, then add in 7's excess and a bit of the over the river 3 to top off 6. 2 & 4 can also adjust their border and get close, and again maybe take some 3. 3 gets topped back up with most of 5's excess--could be a big chunk of the south of the Mon 5 at that point. 8 gives 9 what it needs, plus the last bit of 5's excess, and you are done.<br /><br />Or you can redraw the whole thing radically.BrianTHnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1588280325775325323.post-20160574209376421162011-10-23T21:49:17.542-04:002011-10-23T21:49:17.542-04:00Unless they just decide to start over, 1 is going ...Unless they just decide to start over, 1 is going to eat part of 6 and 9 is going to eat a big chunk of 8 and a small bit of five.MHnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1588280325775325323.post-78672496342259205972011-10-23T20:08:41.689-04:002011-10-23T20:08:41.689-04:00a better link/reference is Pittsburgh City Council...a better link/reference is <a href="http://surveyweb1.ucsur.pitt.edu/files/thepub/000062/PittsburghCityCouncil_Profiles_CensusSF1.pdf" rel="nofollow">Pittsburgh City Council 2010 Census Profiles</a>C. Briemhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17713125800825892775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1588280325775325323.post-13359420553304285152011-10-23T20:05:49.445-04:002011-10-23T20:05:49.445-04:00return the four south/central oakland districts to...return the four south/central oakland districts to the fold. Give two to Peduto and two to Lavelle. Oakland is broke into 3 council districts none of which has oakland as it center. peduto has Shadyside;Lavelle the Hill and Kraus the South Side. Its not like three is better than one!!rich10ehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11815670014265733834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1588280325775325323.post-26253929267036394042011-10-23T19:50:11.238-04:002011-10-23T19:50:11.238-04:00I wonder if Dowd will keep his little fjord across...I wonder if Dowd will keep his little fjord across the Mon into Oakland. I don't know if it helps or hurts him electorally, but it sure looks funny.MHnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1588280325775325323.post-89472772414663838262011-10-23T19:33:54.177-04:002011-10-23T19:33:54.177-04:00Aye. It's one thing to say a district will gr...Aye. It's one thing to say a district will grow or shrink because it has to, it's another thing to say, "Manchester is going here, South Point Breeze is going here, let's draw a line here through Dowd's district and..."Bram Reichbaumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05620172942925293407noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1588280325775325323.post-7975110286659837992011-10-23T16:51:22.868-04:002011-10-23T16:51:22.868-04:00The why is that the Supreme Court has said governm...<i>The why is that the Supreme Court has said governments much be elected on a one-person...</i><br /><br />I think "And why?" refers to why certain areas gain population (relatively).MHnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1588280325775325323.post-87437127911734788112011-10-23T16:41:29.081-04:002011-10-23T16:41:29.081-04:00I've heard 1 has to grow; the puzzle is does i...I've heard 1 has to grow; the puzzle is does it take over Manchester, or does it cross the river to the Strip.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1588280325775325323.post-48578829622729615012011-10-23T13:33:59.872-04:002011-10-23T13:33:59.872-04:00Oh, and I will start by suggesting 8, 5, and 6 wil...Oh, and I will start by suggesting 8, 5, and 6 will likely get smaller, and 9, 1, and 4 will likely get bigger. 2, 3, and 7 seem like they could go either way (this is just eyeballing this map, keeping in mind a small net population loss would be on trend):<br /><br />http://surveyweb1.ucsur.pitt.edu/files/thepub/000043/NetChange.jpgBrianTHnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1588280325775325323.post-49599697467059202912011-10-23T13:25:41.727-04:002011-10-23T13:25:41.727-04:00The why is that the Supreme Court has said governm...The why is that the Supreme Court has said governments much be elected on a one-person, one-vote, which requires reapportionment after a Census (and no, this doesn't apply to the U.S. Senate, but it does to state and local governments).<br /><br />You should be able to take this data and figure out which districts are going to have to be bigger or smaller:<br /><br />http://www.ucsur.pitt.edu/neighborhood_reports_2010.phpBrianTHnoreply@blogger.com