Luke says he gave serious consideration to "not running for this office" . . . but HE DID RUN and that's the choice he made . . . he CHOSE this career and power over his marriage and his family. How sad for all concerned . . . how sad for Pittsburgh that Luke was thrust into this role when he clearly wasn't ready . . . and how sad for this city that hasn't had a real grown up in the Mayor's office since the death of Bob O'Connor.
Luke has chosen career over family...can't believe for a moment that he ever thought about leaving position as mayor no matter what he says. If wife and child were that important, he would not have chosen to run for mayor for the next four years in the first place.
The "formal separation" confuses me (and the cynic in me says it does more than confuse me...). As Anon 9:17 noted, there is no such thing as a "separation" in PA. Now, of course, parties can have separation contracts that do not need to be filed in court, away from the public eye as to what everyone agrees to do/not do and say/not say ... so "separations" do have that advantage over "divorce." It also means that, if she was, she can stay on his benefits, etc. (unless the city's benefits state otherwise). The timing sure is suspicious, esp. when there are the rumors about infidelity that everyone is mentioning but no one is discussing. It's strange how I've heard every MSM outlet mention the "rumors" as if they have been investigating them for years.
Guess we all better watch our posts/comments. TribPM is reporting that Ravenstahl's attorney says he was retained to make sure nothing defamatory is said about the Ravenstahls.
"My only role ... is just to see that everybody honors their privacy."
So we're all on notice. Typical Luke. Thin-skinned, bristling at real and imagined slights, making threats. What a mature young man! (Is that defamatory?)
And anyway, who's paying for this high-priced Philadelphia (literally) lawyer to watch Luke's back? Will it come out of Mrs. R.'s hairdressing tips? (There I go again.)
Both press releases are classic Verbanac - hide behind a traditionally nobal concept, here, an innocent baby, while lobbing ham-handed, childish threats at the general public and the media. It's particularly nauseating given the fact that the Pittsburgh media has demonstrated itself to have far more class than Verbanac-Ravenstahl-Yober could ever muster on a good day.
By the way, the rules applicable to so-called high public officials are different than those that apply to mere mortals, i.e. you can "say more" about the king than you could about the average person. The king can't expect to accept the bene's that go with the job without the downsides. Regardless, all have clearly referred to the incidents as 'rumors', e.g. we all have the right to speak the truth about the rumors that have been flying about for years, and Luke's silly lawyer can't do anything about that.
I agree with Heath's comments - this is just more of the same from this administration
Who is this Monk guy? He seems to think this is a men-only blog. What a pig. I hope Bram deletes his post. And by the way, Monk, most of crap you post I have to read 10 times and then I give up b/c it never makes any sense.
Ex-Pat Pittsburgh Girl Says: November 24th, 2009 at 12:43 pm The “scary” Philadelphia lawyer — Richard Sprague — has represented a lot of politicos, including (at one time) former state senator and now federal prisoner Vince Fumo. In addition, he is an investor in the SugarHouse Casino being built in Philly. SugarHouse, by the way, is also owned by Neil Bluhm, owner of the Rivers Casino.
I am not in a position to pick and choose? From my end it seems like I am. You're just as good at delivering bogus legalish threats as Mr. Sprague.
Monk AKA Gary Zirkel, Facilities Management AKA the guy who used to pretend he had a physical disability to explain why his comments were rambling and unintelligible...
You are intentionally trying to make my blog as unpleasant as possible, in order to discourage its users and participators. Cut it out. If we need to discuss this, I'd be happy to meet you at your sister's or wherever it is you actually reside.
Connect the dots and it should be plain to see. There's a group of people who have a vested interest in keeping Luke in the Mayor's ofice, so they've probably hired a ballbusting big shot lawyer from Philadelphia to come in here to protect their investment and try to scare people away. But any first year law student will tell you that the truth is always a defense to any defamation claim.
There's something about this whole story that I can't get over: if Marty Grifin asked me straight up if I cheated on my wife, and I didn't, why would I say anything other than "no"?
Again, I’d be VERY surprised if The Boy Mayor and Erin can afford the “rack rate” of the high-priced Philadelphia attorney. Either ‘Lil Lukey has a stash of cash, he’s getting a bargain (can you say, “disclosure”? I knew you could), or someone else (Burkle? Rendell?) is part and parcel of the “deal”. Having delat with attornies in certain matters, I would suspect the retainer in such an engagement be at least $20,000.. or more.. Hell, retainer for a simple divorce is ~$3,000 with hourly rates at ~$250/hour. This guy proably charges at least $500 per hour.. minumum 30 or 40 hours.. do the math.
OK, here's the requisite Zappala connection that you all expected. Remember the PG article a few weeks ago about the alleged Zappala influence with the casino organization? You guessed it, Sprague law firm was involved.
OK, I'm sorry to report even another connection. Remember the recent judicial bribery case where 2 Northeastern PA judges were indicted on charges of accpeting kickbacks to send juveniles to a detention facility partly owned by a Zappala? You guessed it, Mr. Sprague represented the facility.
Wow. Circling the wagons. Talk about the cover-up being worse than the "crime". I really wonder now who's paying for that bully attorney and whether that counts as somebody's gift, a contribution, a friend lending a helping hand, what.
You're right, Bram. But I'm sure Mr. Sprague is just another "close friend" of Luke who he calls, now and then, to ask for advice and to bounce ideas off of. You know, kind of like he does with his dad. Now, hmmm, where have we heard that before? Oh yes, that's the same bullshit (swallowed whole by the local MSM) we were fed about John Verbanac.
These kind of stories sell newspapers. You could do a 10 part series on all the connections.
I doubt the MSM is going to be intimidated by Luke's lawyer. Think about it. Scaife is no Marty Griffin. He will not be intimidated or manipulated by Sprague and Sprague.
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Luke says he gave serious consideration to "not running for this office" . . . but HE DID RUN and that's the choice he made . . . he CHOSE this career and power over his marriage and his family. How sad for all concerned . . . how sad for Pittsburgh that Luke was thrust into this role when he clearly wasn't ready . . . and how sad for this city that hasn't had a real grown up in the Mayor's office since the death of Bob O'Connor.
ReplyDeleteLuke has chosen career over family...can't believe for a moment that he ever thought about leaving position as mayor no matter what he says. If wife and child were that important, he would not have chosen to run for mayor for the next four years in the first place.
ReplyDeleteThere is no "legal separation" in Pennsylvania.
ReplyDeleteThe "formal separation" confuses me (and the cynic in me says it does more than confuse me...). As Anon 9:17 noted, there is no such thing as a "separation" in PA. Now, of course, parties can have separation contracts that do not need to be filed in court, away from the public eye as to what everyone agrees to do/not do and say/not say ... so "separations" do have that advantage over "divorce." It also means that, if she was, she can stay on his benefits, etc. (unless the city's benefits state otherwise). The timing sure is suspicious, esp. when there are the rumors about infidelity that everyone is mentioning but no one is discussing. It's strange how I've heard every MSM outlet mention the "rumors" as if they have been investigating them for years.
ReplyDeleteWho is paying for Luke's high priced Philadelphia lawyer?
ReplyDeleteI could educate on matters of seperation/divorce....
ReplyDeleteBut now is not the time...
Anon: 1:27
I respect your right to gloat...what ever floats your boat.
I was impressed by the way the public announcment was handled...baby comes first.
monk
Guess we all better watch our posts/comments. TribPM is reporting that Ravenstahl's attorney says he was retained to make sure nothing defamatory is said about the Ravenstahls.
ReplyDelete"My only role ... is just to see that everybody honors their privacy."
So we're all on notice. Typical Luke. Thin-skinned, bristling at real and imagined slights, making threats. What a mature young man! (Is that defamatory?)
And anyway, who's paying for this high-priced Philadelphia (literally) lawyer to watch Luke's back? Will it come out of Mrs. R.'s hairdressing tips? (There I go again.)
Hmmmm
ReplyDelete'Being Careful'....never seen you post before.
Oh my...
Thinking you masturbate while you post...
Czar Bram will post infidelity rumors...but will probably delete this.
monk
Who is paying for Luke's high- priced Philadelphia lawyer?
ReplyDeleteBurkle or Verbanic?
Both press releases are classic Verbanac - hide behind a traditionally nobal concept, here, an innocent baby, while lobbing ham-handed, childish threats at the general public and the media. It's particularly nauseating given the fact that the Pittsburgh media has demonstrated itself to have far more class than Verbanac-Ravenstahl-Yober could ever muster on a good day.
ReplyDeleteBy the way, the rules applicable to so-called high public officials are different than those that apply to mere mortals, i.e. you can "say more" about the king than you could about the average person. The king can't expect to accept the bene's that go with the job without the downsides. Regardless, all have clearly referred to the incidents as 'rumors', e.g. we all have the right to speak the truth about the rumors that have been flying about for years, and Luke's silly lawyer can't do anything about that.
I agree with Heath's comments - this is just more of the same from this administration
Anon: 3:01
ReplyDeletevery classy.
monk
"dance long enough on other's misfortune and feet no longer walk"
ReplyDeletemonk
Shut up monk.
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ReplyDeleteWho is this Monk guy? He seems to think this is a men-only blog. What a pig. I hope Bram deletes his post. And by the way, Monk, most of crap you post I have to read 10 times and then I give up b/c it never makes any sense.
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ReplyDeleteYeah, you can make a good argument that privacy ought to be "honored" ... but not a good LEGAL argument. Memo to Mr. Sprague - blow it out your ear!
ReplyDeletemonk likes to ramble and change the subject. Back to the subject at hand.
ReplyDeleteWho is paying for Luke's high- priced Philadelphia lawyer?
Burkle or Verbanic?
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ReplyDeleteWho is paying for Luke's high- priced Philadelphia lawyer?
ReplyDelete"pro bono" by way of Neil Bluhm?
monk needs to be removed from posting on here. his comment to BEING CAREFUL 2:40 p.m. is disgusting.
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ReplyDeleteEx-Pat Pittsburgh Girl Says:
November 24th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
The “scary” Philadelphia lawyer — Richard Sprague — has represented a lot of politicos, including (at one time) former state senator and now federal prisoner Vince Fumo. In addition, he is an investor in the SugarHouse Casino being built in Philly. SugarHouse, by the way, is also owned by Neil Bluhm, owner of the Rivers Casino.
Bram, once you delete... you accept editorial consequences.
ReplyDeleteI edit via word processor...can't spell worth a darn. Save.
Freehanding as I write...you are not in position to pick and choose..or it may be that... it is position that you do not wish to find yourself in...
Public discourse, is paramount...
monk
I am not in a position to pick and choose? From my end it seems like I am. You're just as good at delivering bogus legalish threats as Mr. Sprague.
ReplyDeleteMonk AKA Gary Zirkel, Facilities Management AKA the guy who used to pretend he had a physical disability to explain why his comments were rambling and unintelligible...
You are intentionally trying to make my blog as unpleasant as possible, in order to discourage its users and participators. Cut it out. If we need to discuss this, I'd be happy to meet you at your sister's or wherever it is you actually reside.
At dawn. 1851 Navy Cap and Ball Revolvers...3 paces.
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Connect the dots and it should be plain to see. There's a group of people who have a vested interest in keeping Luke in the Mayor's ofice, so they've probably hired a ballbusting big shot lawyer from Philadelphia to come in here to protect their investment and try to scare people away. But any first year law student will tell you that the truth is always a defense to any defamation claim.
ReplyDeleteThere's something about this whole story that I can't get over: if Marty Grifin asked me straight up if I cheated on my wife, and I didn't, why would I say anything other than "no"?
@Anon 5:00pm.. My comment on Ginny's site...
ReplyDelete@Ex-Pat Pittsburgh Girl…
Again, I’d be VERY surprised if The Boy Mayor and Erin can afford the “rack rate” of the high-priced Philadelphia attorney. Either ‘Lil Lukey has a stash of cash, he’s getting a bargain (can you say, “disclosure”? I knew you could), or someone else (Burkle? Rendell?) is part and parcel of the “deal”. Having delat with attornies in certain matters, I would suspect the retainer in such an engagement be at least $20,000.. or more.. Hell, retainer for a simple divorce is ~$3,000 with hourly rates at ~$250/hour. This guy proably charges at least $500 per hour.. minumum 30 or 40 hours.. do the math.
I smell something….
The convicted Fumo's campaign committee paid Sprague & Sprague law firm over $350,000 in 2007. So much money, for what???
ReplyDeletehttp://www.campaignfinance.state.pa.us/CFReport.aspx?CFReportID=52533&Section=III&StartRow=1&RowsPerPage=105
Boy, I hope Luke has some deep pockets nearby.
OK, here's the requisite Zappala connection that you all expected. Remember the PG article a few weeks ago about the alleged Zappala influence with the casino organization? You guessed it, Sprague law firm was involved.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.postgazette.com/pg/09298/1008257-455.stm
Luke, how exactly did you find Mr. Sprague to represent you? Ahem ...
OK, I'm sorry to report even another connection. Remember the recent judicial bribery case where 2 Northeastern PA judges were indicted on charges of accpeting kickbacks to send juveniles to a detention facility partly owned by a Zappala? You guessed it, Mr. Sprague represented the facility.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.timesleader.com/news/hottopics/judges/Sealed_case_cited_as_fraud_09-11-2009.html
Are you smelling what I'm smelling?
Wow. Circling the wagons. Talk about the cover-up being worse than the "crime". I really wonder now who's paying for that bully attorney and whether that counts as somebody's gift, a contribution, a friend lending a helping hand, what.
ReplyDeleteYou're right, Bram. But I'm sure Mr. Sprague is just another "close friend" of Luke who he calls, now and then, to ask for advice and to bounce ideas off of. You know, kind of like he does with his dad. Now, hmmm, where have we heard that before? Oh yes, that's the same bullshit (swallowed whole by the local MSM) we were fed about John Verbanac.
ReplyDeleteThese kind of stories sell newspapers. You could do a 10 part series on all the connections.
ReplyDeleteI doubt the MSM is going to be intimidated by Luke's lawyer. Think about it. Scaife is no Marty Griffin. He will not be intimidated or manipulated by Sprague and Sprague.
Sprague and Co. signed up for more than they can handle- > check out #ravenstahlrumors on Twitter
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